Thursday, January 04, 2007

John Piper Is Bad (and so are you)...

Thought you might enjoy this video.


Phil Webster said...

Just in case you're wondering why the video doesn't show up in your blog reader, don't worry, they never do... I will usually post a link somewhere in the post so that people can click that if they're not seeing the video. Otherwise, awesome video, I watched it when I got home on Wednesday haha.

natamllc said...
This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.
Pastor Timothy said...
This comment has been removed by the author.
natamllc said...
This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.
AgapeTheologian said...


Where do you assume we are laughing at God displaying his wrath. It's a funny Christian video of a re-make of a old secular song. They say John Piper is bad because it goes along with the doctrines of grace. So, John Piper laughed at it and totally agreed.

I was dead but now I am alive. Am I perfect, OH NO!

But there is absolutly no reason why we can't have some fun by watching a video.

In Prayers,


Pastor Timothy said...


I appreciate your passion, and obviously you know that we disagree in the sense of the use of this video. Sorry that you disagree so strongly.

As a result of the perceived tone of your comments, I am going to delete them. If I can remember, I will also delete this comment, but I wanted to make sure I told you why I was deleting your comments. I didn't want you to just come by the site and see that they were gone.

May God bless you by enabling you to see more of Him and give you the realization and usage of the strength He has granted you in Christ through the Spirit.

natamllc said...


you said this to me:::>

''Where do you assume we are laughing at God displaying his wrath.''

I don't assume that so I would have to respond to you, you are mistaken when you write that of me.

No, I do not find that video funny or amuzing.

The "secular" world is who is finding it funny laughing at us that we cannot express honest beliefs without taking offense.

And Tim, I find it very ironic that your blog title has just been defamed by you seeing if you had understanding of Grace, that that I do not deserve, you might have been a bit more gracious! You have underscored your own way.

John Piper is fine brother and yes, he can have a laugh at the video Graciously. How should a Gracious Peace maker respond under the circumstances?

However, we ought to stand up for him in his Work of Ministry and Reconciliation which is what I am doing in expressing my views hereon which you deleted.

I find nothing fine about the underlying song remake remade to point out to the Church what we are failing to point out to the world that they might be separated from the "spirits" behind that song too.

Here you put out this video on your blog, XARIS, [GRACE] both sweet and bitter water and expect me to accept it?

Sorry, but I commend you to read Daniel 2:44 to gain some insights and understanding of my heat expressed against the video!

God is bringing about wrath upon the nations and He is not leaving that "Work of Grace" to other people's work, Michael Jackson or or or anyone else.

We are to bring forth "new songs" and sing "new songs". As history captures, there have been a flood of them come forth already since these words were written:

Psa 149:1 Praise ye the LORD. Sing unto the LORD a new song, and his praise in the congregation of saints.

Rev 5:7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.
Rev 5:8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odors, which are the prayers of saints.
Rev 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

No, I find no comfort in this video on the foundation of a remake of a song like that.

Whoever produced it, either a secular soul or a Christian, it has no place useful place in bringing the Sweet water of John Piper together with the bitter water of Michael Jackson.

Pastor Timothy said...


I'm sorry if that seemed ungracious for me to delete the comments. I thought I was being gracious in telling you why. However, if I've sinned against you, I'm truly sorry. I don't see how I wasn't gracious. I've even deleted comments written by my own nephew (who writes on this blog) because I didn't like the tone coming across (words ministering grace to the hearers). He understands and he's as close as a brother to me.

That said, I trust that we can move on more graciously in discussions.

For clarity's sake to your most recent entry, do you condemn the words that John Piper said: "No, I have no problem with that at all. It's a true statement.... When I heard it I laughed." He was being gracious, but he was speaking the truth. Obviously you can disagree, I'm simply wondering if you do condemn those words.

On a side note, I want to let you know how much I appreciate the fact that you continually revert back to the Scriptures (1 Tim. 3:16-17). It truly is the only way that we can ever grow more closely to God and know His will. Thank you for reminding us all of that in your posts.

natamllc said...


thank you for your conciliatory words.

No, I do not condemn John Piper's words, I condemn the video. John, faced with the music had one of two choices, God's Grace, he is bad; or the devil's musings?

He was Gracious.

The video was the devil's musings.

I just hope a Christian "brother" was not the maker of it?

If so, he then would need to be seasoned with Salt also, as we all need from time to time.

Col 4:5 Walk in wisdom toward them that are without, redeeming the time.
Col 4:6 Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man.

Pastor Timothy said...

Thanks for your most recent comment, natamllc. For a couple of reasons, I'm going to keep this post and the remaining comments. I'll move on to the next topic soon.

AgapeTheologian said...


"The video was the devil's musings.

I just hope a Christian "brother" was not the maker of it?"

I don't think it's correct calling the video the devil's. I think it was just a clever, funny thing to do even if a "brother" made the video. The video lines up perfectly with the grace doctrines which John Piper believes in, that is why He can laugh at it and say it is true.

Christians are truly corrupt and sinful; and we are "Bad".

I hope I didn't come across as offensive, and I do agree with Pastor Timothy, Thank you for always referring us back to Scripture...

In Prayers,


Anonymous said...

natamllc -

don't you have better things to do with your time??? if you so strongly object to what you view on this blogger, why don't you discontinue your visits? wouldn't it be better to find ways to uplift and encourage?

Pastor Timothy said...


I can see your concerns; however, I think natamllc and I have come to a certain "neutral" ground on the subject - agreeing to disagree.

Anonymous said...

pastor timothy,
o.k. i guess i just don't understand such heated "debates" on a blog when there are so many other needs in this world -- i'm not speaking to your comments, though. however, wouldn't it be a better use of time to write a note of encouragement to someone who is going through a difficult time or something?

Pastor Timothy said...


This could be a whole new post.

But, I'll try to answer your question briefly.

1. Debates are necessary since there's so many different opinions and only ONE truth. Once the truth gets a hold of us then we're changed. So, our object is a change of perspective about ourselves and about our God. However, the way we communicate is the bigger issue and that is dependent on the topic. For example - we need to be strong on what we believe about faith, repentance and justification. Sometimes debates can get "heated". However, our words are to strive to minister grace AND truth. BUT, sometimes people don't think that the truth is gracious even when we communicate it graciously. If the topic is totally important, then we must continue the dialogue, but if it isn't, we need to let our "rights" go. I think that's what ended up happening here. So, I believe that (if that's the case) God was glorified in this post.

2. Writing encouraging notes and making people feel encouraged should definitely be a part of our lives.

I think the big issue is that we communicate it in a right spirit.

About the "other needs in the world" - yes, there are many and we have to be concerned about those and also the needs of specific individuals (even within this blog).

So, I agree with you in many ways. And I think we MUST present ourselves in ways that communicate grace and truth. Embrace a humble orthodoxy ( - or watch the video in the post above.

(if this doesn't make sense, I was in a hurry. I trust I've communicated accurately.)

THANKS FOR YOUR QUESTION. Keep 'em coming. :)

BTW - can you tell me who you are?

Anonymous said...

My man, Michael sure knows how to stir it up, don't he?

He so BAD!